I think I may have got burnt

[britvette]

As many of you may know , I am breaking my fronty as it sadly died in the summer . Several members here have bought items from me and I have dealt with each and every one in the same way . I have asked all of them to make me a fair / good deal offer for the items they are after and we have gone with that as a price . In every instance I have insisted on sending the items (with me paying the postage ) , letting the person check out , fit and test the part to ensure they are happy and only then pay for both the item and the postage at that time. This has all worked fine so far and everbody has been true to their word and having checked and established that the parts are as expected have paid the agreed amount ...... until now.
About a month ago , I sent a part to a member , I paid for the shipping , he recieved the item , fitted it and was very happy . He even enquired about other items . I made a request as agreed to his paypal account but no payment arrived , I PM'd him and was told that he had had some issues with his wages being paid wrong and could I wait a week - no problem , I understood , it happens . Two weeks go past still nothing , after me PMing again I am told that paypal wont pay as his credit card is not verified (so verify it !) , he says he will pay from his work paypal account if I supply my paypal address ....I did , nothing showed up .
Now , I get no response at all , I have PM'd twice but get no reply He was on the forum af 11.30 today ....
I understand that times are tough and that christmas is coming up etc , but times are tough for all of us and I have 4 kids that want stuff for christmas too .. I personally couldn't do what it seems he is doing , I have acted in good faith with every part that has gone and have recieved the same in return ....
I want to warn other members about this guy but I am not sure if it is correct ( or if I can be bothered ) to name and shame him here . If he had been up front and said look , something came up and I cant afford to pay it all now , I would have said ok - its only about £30 but thats not the point , I don't like getting screwed over

There are members here who have had parts from me who will vouch for my integrity

So what do I do in this situation ? I think I can kiss the money goodby but what about stopping him doing the same to some other idiot

Cheers

Paul

[Rifleman]

Something like this happened very recently. Someone like A friend will be in touch with advise soon I expect.
I do agree with you, everyone should be up front. If they cant afford it straight away, then tell and sort something out properly.
Might be worth while in the future, getting the postage paid for, as I can tell from your words, that you wouldnt send off anything that didnt work as it should.

[horses45]

well im sorry for that happening to you paul.I can vouch for paul as i have had some parts off him and he is true to his word when i dealt with him top man sent them out but didnt want paid till i was happy, what more can you ask for.i have been lucky on here dealing with fog members i have never had a problem .as for what to do i have no idea that is know up to you and the admin to see if anything can be done ,hope you get sorted mate.

[britvette]

I didn't want to charge for the postage up front , just in case something wasn't as expected ..... too trusting ,I guess but I have used various car forums for a few years and I have found that we all share a common interest and as such are generally genuine people . This is the first time I have been caught and it kind of leaves a bad taste .....

[Sir-Doris]

Personally I am interested in knowing who the member is but I think its best left to admin to make a decision on that one.

All transactions are between the seller and buyer as it wouldnt be fair on admin/mods if they had to mediate every transaction that had gone sour.
While you have acted in good faith and been rewarded for doing so with every other sale you are still dealing with someone that you probably dont know personally.
Due to this one transaction going wrong many others may not benefit from your trust and goodwill in the future.

I can only hope that theirs is a genuine reason for lack of payment in which case the person should step forward and say so rather then putting you on hold as it were.

[ashbrear]

Sorry to hear that mate, I too have been conned its a better word
still waiting for money off a fog member who i sold some hub covers to
last pm i got off him 3 wks ago promised to send some cash and youve
guessed it still waiting. Hope he is reading this it might jolt his wallet
hope you get yours too mate.

[Frontycustoms]

Go n get the parts back cos there still yours if he likes it or not.






Am sure some of us would do the same mate.

[horses45]

stop causing trouble you and my next sunday off your engines coming out if your up to it .but not good for members getting conned.

[Drift]

I dont think naming and shaming is the way to go, but if members want to know who it is we cant do anything about PMs

Paul you seem to have been more than fair in my opinion and trusted members and hats off to you It only takes one to spoil a good thing, please dont be put off with one selfish person.

[drinksoptional]

Well thats sh.t! all i m saying after last time this happened to some one

[gregster]

Sorry to hear to have been stiffed for your money....
it is a shame that the occasional member cant play fair as they spoil it for everyone...

You have been more than trusting, and done everything right, giving the member concerned ample opportunity to put things right...
but it is disgusting when someone ignores your Pm's when they are in the wrong...
and even after this you haven't dragged his name through the mud on the forum...

Well done mate for being so decent and controlled....

If someone did that to me I would turn up at their house with the oxy propane cutting gear and force-ably remove the part from the car unless I was willingly given the part back immediately, plus expenses for my debt collection journey...harsh maybe, but I cant stand people like that...

If its someone down in the southeast area, let me know, and I will go and get your bits back on Saturday for you...plus my expenses for retrieving them...

[andysd1]

mate this comes to you from the heart, i feel for you, i to was burned a while ago, by a member, and it is still burning, mine was a £150, that was six months ago, i still sell things on here as i have a lot of faith in FOG members, i wont let one --------------- (not a swear word) get me down, this is still the best forum i have ever used, i do belive in name and shame, (sorry admin) but the guy in question stood up and became a MAN, and named him self,

[britvette]

I don't think I am going to name him on the forum . I know who he is , he knows who he is and anyone who PM's me can know who he is . what goes around , comes around and I can sleep easy tonight .
I will still deal with all members the same and will ship first , take payment when they are happy .Its the correct way to deal with these parts ..... after all , it all worked to my knowledge in June but I can't guarantee any of it so this way , all are happy before any cash changes hands.

Thanks for letting me vent - feel better now

Paul

[britvette]

[ashbrear]

hear hear i think we should have a dispute section then those concerned
can air there views,i know another vauxhall forum has something
similar where members can name and shame about time we did.
rant over.

[horses45]

i have delt with both ashbearer and britvette and never had any problem with them and would gladly buy something else off them is they no way of having some way to check how people score as sellers like a feedback forum added or would that be too much of a pain.some people dont sell while you seem to get to know who you can trust but buyers is another matter i don't know how people feel about that?.well rant over off to work for an early shift

[woodwizzard]

Don't think a rating system or name and shame section would really be in keeping with the spirit of this forum. Life will always throw up a few rotten apples, 'tis the way it is. Do as you would with any other buying/selling problem, report to the manager (admin in this case) and don't buy or sell to that person again. Just my take on it

[headbanging]

Not to long ago, I had a trade with Britvette. It involvced getting something of mine, to him, (via Krusher ), and then organising when I could get to Wales to get the part I needed. This took longer than expected, and in the end, I paid for a courier to bring it to me.

Thoughout Britvette was brilliant, even getting the part of the car at short notice, and leaving it for the courier man to collect.

In no way can I fault Britvette in our transactions, and I think it is a shame that a member like Britvette has been let down in such a way. I have spoken my feelings in the past about naming and shaming, when Andy had his problem.

I guess the only way around it, is that people will need to be very carful with whom they trade. If that means that newer members are left out of it, or something like that, I don't know.

I know that Britvette isn't the only person with a problem like this at the moment, and some problems are the other way round (money sent but no parts arrived).

I see FOG as a community, and stand shoulder to shoulder with the good guys, just the few rotten ones that need educating.

[domino]

I'm a newbie myself and would hate to see the above take effect though I would understand entirely if it did.

Makes my ** * * boil this kind of thing - there's just no need for it. If I was in a similar situation I would at least let you know that I couldn't afford it but would give you money back in bits or send the part back.
While I understand there can be genuine reasons for a lack of communication I don't see it being acceptable that the said user continues to 'monitor' the forums (is active) but ignores the problem at hand.

I say name and shame. If you were to mistakenly reply to this thread with his name instead of via PM because you hit the wrong button I'm sure the majority of the forum would understand.

[britvette]

I have had a response from the person in question apparently payment will happen tomorrow ...... we will see .
If it does happen , then all is good
Throughout all this , its not been the lack of payment that has been the issue , its been either the false promises of payment or no comunication that got on my t!t.
I will update if/when it happens

Thanks
Paul