Online petition

[Road Hog]

See here ..................... http://www.r2rc.eu/petition.php?lang=en

And here for info ........... http://www.r2rc.eu/documents/Common_Position_Paper.pdf

[weave67]

signed

[Livewire Frontera]

Signed it can't believe the possibility that it's gonna get harder for us to keep our trucks on the road

[Bubba]

signed it, ive allways repaired and maintained my own cars,it seems there is allways some one having a go at the motorist its about time we put a stop to it.

[Sir-Doris]

Signed

[Rich]

signed

[DARREN40]

signed and passed the word to fellow breakdown drivers to sign

this could mean a end of roadside repairs = my job + my livlyhood and more

[john (smifffy)]

Signed

[Road Hog]

Should have said ............. signed

[jellybaby]

me too

[dazza]

signed

[john boy]

Sorry i aint signed it i'm in the motor trade and since block exemption i've seen a significant down turn in the workshop.i'm now going to have a little rant i get brassed off with independent garages calling how do you do this and how do you that it takes up my time,and when your vehicle goes in for a service how do you know that it's being serviced correct ie the correct grade of oil being used. oh yes you saved £50 but when it goes wrong and you take it back to where it was serviced sorry mate have to go to the dealer,then it's all our problem and when it doesn't get sorted first time we're a bunch of useless spanner monkeys who rip people off as you can tell it's a sore ponit with me.rant over

[boybilbo81]

I have added mine too.

[Drift]

Just to make one thing clear, after reading it, the proposal is for new cars under warranty to be repaired by independent garages and still retain the warranty , it does not prevent owners doing home repairs to cars out of warranty.
The motor manufacturing industry and dealers want to retain the right to do all warranty work themselves, which I can understand, if you tinkered with a car under warranty you would invalidate the warranty.

I can see John Boys point, though it would be less painful for the consumer if the main dealer hourly rate inflicted upon the consumer was more in line with reality.

To that end the draft wont affect you unless you use an unauthorised garage to fiddle with your new bought dealership car.

[gregster]

Signed...

[priestinthejeep]

signed sealed and delivered
i think if we are paying for the cars n all we should have the full rights to fix them our selves usual money maker stunt for them

[Roo]

[john boy]

The vehicle should be maintained by a main dealer while the vehicle is in the warranty period then after that point it's up to you what happens. As they come more complex it's more than just a case of plug it in and see what happens on the brain. There are more and more software updates for ecu's which with out the correct access to the info cause all sorts of problems. Every time a vehicle enters our workshop we get list in the job pack highlighting the updates/service measures that the vehicles require. How do you know if you do it your self or go to an independent if the vehicle has the latest update ie for emissions and so on?

As for drift's point on dealers labour rates it's easy to say cut them back as they are too expensive on the outside you don't see what the manufacturers impose on dealers we have 3 diagnostic machines which cost £500 each plus updates every month,then £50,000 of special tools plus the corparte look and now all the targets you have to meet to stay a dealer the labour rate soon gets eaten up

[meooo]

Totally agree with john-boy onn this one.

Our ONE diagnostic machine (IDS) costs in excess of £10,000, its used every day, mostly rectifying faults induced by "independants" getting involved in systems they dont understand, then sending the owner to us because "Its a known Ford fault, they should fix it under warranty for you".....well I'm sorry but when you buy a car in 2006 and bring it back FOR THE FIRST TIME in 2009 and ask for warranty repairs...it just aint happening.
The warranty is given by the manufacturer, before we get paid we have to prove component failure (via IDS) we dont get paid for diagnostic work and get paid for parts at COST LESS 10-20% and labour rate below internal costs (non-negotiable)

So whilst the idea of block exemption is good....I can source service components from wherever I choose......if independants want to carry out the work we have imposed on us then they work the same way, at a loss on warranty claims that take up to 6 months to pay on £3,000 repairs!...see how long that would last.

Halfrauds tried to run the Daewoo franchise if you recall.....the only way they could make it work was by over-inflating service costs back to the company.....which duly went bust and withdrew from its contract.

[Postfinder]

Done.