British supplies of diesel are running low!!

[SPEEDBIRD 202]

This is bit of a worry it looks as though the price if diesel might jump by 15%. Apparently its not worth refining it in this Country anymore

They can do it a lot cheaper abroad, so that is making our stocks run low see here 15% Price Hike for Diesel

They reckon it might knock the bottom out of the Diesel Car Market ....

[quiteone]

I guess they will save some if this happens,
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/245334/245334

[AskDean]

looks like you oil burners better get freindly with the local chippys then real fast if that is true

[andysd1]

i always thought diesel was a bi-product of petrol,

[Big Dav]

Reading the article looks like petrol won't be far behind either.
As regards the refining of fuels, I cannot remember if petrol comes off before diesel or the other way around.
This potentially self-sufficient land once again heading towards dependency on others.

[SPEEDBIRD 202]

I was watching a programme on TV a couple of weeks back called ' hows it done', and they did an article on how Canada is absolutely loaded with Diesel Fuel.

Apparently their fuel reserves are second to only Saudi Arabia Anyway this programme was all about how the Canadians get the stuff out of the ground, they recon they have enough crude to keep the world going for years.

Here is an article about their oil industry Canadian Oil Supplies

Got to admit Canada looks an interesting place to be. If I had the money I would like to live there for a bit, and check the place out ... Oh yeah

[country_Est]

Surely with all this offshoring of work refining ect if they can do it cheaper than we can then the price to the consumer must go DOWN, it if there is a requirement for 1000l of diesel then we need to ship 1000+ Ltrs of crude to refine. If the refining is done some where else then we only need to ship 1000Ltrs of diesel here so must be cheaper ?????

Am I missing something or making it tooooo simples

Trev

[Big Dav]

SpeedBird, Canada could certainly be the place to be - especially for the keen 4x4 driver. Oh to be young again

[SPEEDBIRD 202]

[adyclemo]

I was always under the impression that deseil came out of the refining stage at an earlier point than petrol hence it being more oily, therefore (unless im disolutioned in some way) is cheaper to produce

[4x4 bobby]

Heavy oils come off first petrol is at the top of the refining process! So diesel comes off before petrol.

[meooo]

Until last year, Castrol used to refine "base" oil in the UK and sell it to other companies to blend to the various different specs. They found garages were then buying off their competitors (cheaper)...so moved their refineries to Europe, now they blend the oil themselves and ship it back to the UK. If anyone needs to buy the base oil, they have to pay to import it, then blend it, so their costs have risen....and now their oil costs the same as Castrol....hows that for protectionism?

[Wilberforce]

I'd bs inclined to file this original story under "slightly suspicious" as the Express, like any paper I guess, is not averse to a little sensationalism for the sake of sales. I note that here we are halfway through 2011, yet they're muttering about things from 2008 when more recent data are available.

I can't argue about diesel demand having risen but with the way crude oil is made up, and how the cracking/distillation process works it's not so much less worthwhile to produce petrol and diesel specifically, as less worthwhile to refine oil in the UK at all, as we're a more expensive country in general than others - look at the way all our manufacturing as gone overseas as it's cheaper.
Crude oil is full of different types of molecules and to do anything useful with any of it, the oil has to be broken down into these different types. This is where the distillation process comes in, as you can't just decide to turn this batch of oil into petrol and that into diesel and that into avgas, etc. What you end up with is very heavily dependant on the chemical makeup of the oil going in.
Diesel does indeed come off before petrol, being a heavier fraction, but you're going to get both anyway as the crude oil is split into ever smaller types of molecules.

Incidentally, if diesel prices do spike by 15%, then *everything* you could conceivably buy will get more expensive because everything to some extent relies on diesel LGV's to get to you.
Cheerful thought, no??

[purplerainbows1961]

Ok scaremongers,there is no oil shortage in your lifetime,(look at canada/russia oil pockets)arabs are running the game at present,but do not think this(very wealthy) little island is standing idly by,nor the world,s motor industry for that matter,because if that is the case best bring on the sinclair c5 derivatives /hybrids..remember there is only the government that really rapes you on the taxes +keep prices up..but to my point if every brit refused to even think of useing their car/van/lorry/for just 1 week,watch the gov+oil comp,s sit up and listen,...just to finish not so long ago a certain gentleman from wales had the balls to take em on and hired tankers from holland/belgium and shipped it direct to uk.and sold it cheap.in the end Q8 oil company bought him out and consequently shut down or changed the name to Q8 And put price back up.his name was donald humphries(deceased) I think we should kick ass people..

[yaki]

Or find someone who makes Bio Diesel, before everyone starts I mean proper Bio, not waste veg oil or straight veg oil

Have been running both my 2.8 and Freelander on Bio Diesel (80% Bio to 20% Derv) and it smells a bit like a chippy but at 92p a litre I'm not complaining, appears to be little or no difference in either consumption of performance and no issues yet. The guy I get it from runs his fleet of 30 or so HGV's and LGV's on the stuff they make.

Did try the 2.8 on 100% Bio and it was a little more difficult to start in the mornings but apart from that no problems, and the Freelander loves it

I do have to travel about 20 miles to get it, to save on costs I go down on payday and buy enough to last me the month (about 120litres) and store it in a 205litre plastic barrel