BBC Countryfile now

[Rifleman]

This programme is to show, what to do about stopping 4x4 drivers from digging up the countryside.

[Drift]

I just caught the end on iplayer, you can stop legal laning but if some one wants to ride illegally now they sure as well will not stop if we are all banned as they are not complying with the law as it stands

And whats the difference if its a National Park or not, the guy who wants them banned didnt have an augment

[Rifleman]

[gregster]

What a load of cr4p....only saw probably half of it but the 4x4 owners they interviewed where at a P&P NOT laning, and they showed the trucks churning and climbing up stuff which they wouldnt have done if on a lane...
at least they interviewed someone sensible from the Trail riding group...

Really one-sided program if you ask me...all the stills and background shots showed crossers and other non laning offroad activity...journelistic licence to them I guess, but distorting the truth if you ask me...


That fella that was interviewed with the trailriding guy, who was anti laning (and probably has a house next to a lane which will go up in value by £25k if there wasnt a road next to it!)...mensioned about a load of vehicles where stopped and 4 werent taxed/mot/insured, and a few where unroadworthy...

My thoughts are that if they go on the lanes illegally now with no consideration for the law, then if the lanes were not allowed to vehicles then these idiots would still be on them...So the problem would still exist, but the legal users would be excluded unfairly...

As for unroadworthy...if the police stopped 20 random cars on the road I guarantee that some of those cars would have issues that rendered them unroadworthy in the eyes of the law...you might even find one or 2 that werent insured/taxed/mot'ed...so where is the difference with laning, apart from the 4x4's are less likely to kill someone at 10mph on a lane than a car doing 70 on a road...Its also worth noting that the totally illegal vehicles probably got the lane on a tarmaced proper road, if they had been caught there it would be percieved as a win for justice, sooner than them getting caught on a lane and it just giving ammo to the anti's.

I think its good that the police are active in getting those that taint the name of our hobby...but if the results from the activity are going to be presented as they were in this program, then we might almost be better taking the line of police victimisation if we are repeated stopped and checked...
Considering that a muddy number plate or headlight could be the "unroadworthyness"that was mensioned, it does occur to me that stopping our trucks on lanes for this is a massive waste of Policing rescourse, which would be better spent catching drink drivers who kill people.
Of course finding unroadworthyness all depends on exactly how hard you are prepared to look....not saying the police were unfair, but lets face it if we are buying a used car its very easy to find things wrong if you look hard enough if there is an incentive to find faults...

Maybe I would be an idea if someone took John Craven out laning for a day...and show him first hand that its not all about ripping up the countryside, and show the damage that horses make to public rights of way, and the attitude that we get from bobblehats when we are doing nothing wrong and are polite and considerate...

End of rant!

[john boy]

I watched it and wat a load of tosh didn't potray 4x4's corectly at all just showed some on private land or a p&p site then the clown from the peak district green lane association was in a landy what all that about then

[fogman]

[Drift]

Dont say that Ive just grew a goatee

[fogman]

[gregster]

Goaty eh.......normal means one to many tummy tucks!

[Drift]

Ive got a green jumper too dont smoke though

[gregster]

Have you got a bobblehat though Ste????

[Drift]

[dave1966]

They just dont want anyone to have fun and a good time. Its different when construction companies want to
build houses on the land though.

[MrTom]

[Drift]

The comment the BBC made about men testing there machines on the lanes or some such thing fired me up, we lane for the pleasure of driving unsurfaced tracks and seeing the countryside, by the vary nature of unsurfaced byways they can be challenging at times and thats why you generally need a 4x4 to drive them, the BBC sets the public's mind even before the evidence is displayed.

[cheekychick]

can we not write to countryfile or POV to voice our opinions, they have email addresses....

[dave1966]

That sounds like a good idea.

[mega-fronty]

You can always complain about the BBC's journalism: https://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/forms/
There is a programme on a Sunday morning on BBC1 that deals with the BBCs complaints and bias of reporting.

Ive just complained to the BBC as i thought theyre report was misinformative and biased towards non vehicluar users, very easy to do.
If you decide to make a point on the above website please be clear about what you are saying, i referred to green laning rather than off roading, and there being a minority of troublemakers in any recreation that spoil it for all, and that Operation Blackbrook is working with user group;s in the 4x4 and TRF scene to apprehend



borrowed off my forum

[Drift]

Some info on operation Blackbrook

http://www.treadlightly-uk.org/index.ph ... 8&Itemid=2

[country_Est]

Just read the link posted above, of all of them stopped it looked like it was only the bikes that were found to be unraod worthy or un taxed.

There is nothing in the list about any DRIVER being summonsed just RIDERS.

The report was totaly biased and there is suffient laws covering this now. The bloke from TRF said that they recommend a max speed of 25MPH, where as GLASS recommend 12Mph. Was out today on the lanes in hampshire and dont think I could have done 25Mph of the lanes without doing serious damage to me & the truck. Nice and slow mainly less than 10mph