Swansea M4 Convoy Fuel Protest On Saturday Not FOG Related

[Reeco]

[*Sam*]

Makes a lot of sense that.......

Protesting over fuel prices by wasting fuel...... hmmmmmm

Not having a go at you personally BTW, just makes me wonder if there is not a better way! (Not that I can think of one!)

[outergods]

yes, the irony is there, but sitting at home bitching about the cost of fuel wont get anyones attention. im not saying riot, but properly organised protests that get the issue noticed and brought to the publics attention in a controlled manner can have an impact.

Matt

[Reeco]

Sam, No offence taken Mate.

I think Britain is a nation of lazy people who think the cost of fuel and taxes doesn't affect them when in fact it effects everyone of us but some choose to ignore it.

If something is not right ,we the people have the right to protest legally of course to show the government that we are not happy at the continuous rise in the cost of fuel.

I am glad the brave British men and women who fought Hitler didn't have the same mentality as today's population, as now we would be under German rule.

I feel quite strongly about this and if everyone in Britain, just stopped thinking about themselves for one day and joined the protest, a lot more would be acheived in a shorter space of time. The protests will get bigger but this will take time. Sorry to rant on lol.
ATB. Reeco

[marlbororman]

Well im at work on saturday, but if a protest goes through hull, I`ll happily join in in my bus

Dont know that the passengers will be very happy, but wont have an option

[Reeco]

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[*Sam*]

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[billy.mc]

i'ld like to stick my penneth in, something does need doing as the fuel is not a luxury, small haulage buisnesses can't keep up these days esp when certain company's with depot's in luxenburg bring there fuel into this country cutting costs and forcing others out!! in 2000 i was charging 95 pence a mile on courier work and only made 10 pence profit as i had running costs ect, then large worldwide company's come in charging 45 pence a mile mean while fuel went from .72ppl to .85ppl how do we survive, it dosen't just cost buisnesses, it cost 5 drivers their jobs & my family their home as everything was secured on the house, no i am bankrupt with massive debts and not the only one
our goverment pushed people to start buisnesses then dump on ya from a great height rarther than helping out, something needs doing & i'm in favor of everything we can!!!
RIP GREAT briton.............

soz rant over

[Reeco]

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[Reeco]

Cheers Ste. ATB. Reeco

[jond66uk]

Some very well argued points on this thread guys, nobody is happy about the price we pay in the uk except the truckers that arrive from europe fully fuelled. As regards transport for the british citizen, it's the low income people that are hit that own just one second hand car the most. It will not end because the chap at number 11 needs revenue. The more people that give up smoking and cut down their drinking means increases elswhere. Now we all know ELSEWHERE means FUEL and ROAD TAX because if push comes to shove, we will buy an older cheaper car so we can spend the price difference on the fuel. We will always find the money for fuel because of the so called freedom we feel in a motor (even if that freedom is stuck on a congested road). It's a shame that all the people who could afford to convert their cars to lpg dont, as that would shake things up abit

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[madchef]

[Alpine_Skier_UK]

[*Sam*]

Would just like to say that I dont necessarily agree with everything in my first post, I was merely playing devils advocate to open up discussion, and there are some very good points that have been made.

The point is that if the tax wasnt on fuel it would be on something else, and that is the most worrying thing.

I do however feel that the heaviest road users should pay the most, and tax on fuel is a farily efficient, but not fullproof way of doing this. Maybe there should be some subsidies for buses and taxis and other public transport, however I believe the government should subsidise rail travel for freight thus encouraging more use of the railways we already have. Lorries do use a lot of fuel, and are one of the heaviest types of vehicle and therefore probably the most responsible for damaging the major roads (ruts in the motorway etc), if more goods are moved by rail, with short lorry journeys at either end the cost will be the same if not cheaper for the manufacturers and therefore the consumers, and the government will save some money on repairing the roads which can be better spent on public transport.

The tax is too high, but fuel does need to be taxed. The whole system needs looking at, however fuel protests by the minority of road users (and you will be in the minority) will simply cause anger amongst the non protesting fuel users when they cant get any fuel. This is exactly what happened last time.

The only way to solve the problem is to vote in a goverment with a good transport policy, one which will put the freight on rails, provide better bus services and find a fair way to tax the road users according to how much the use them - unfortunately we dont seem to have a party that is in touch with reality. Rightly or wrongly we are going to have to lump it because fuel protests really wont make any difference.

Remember 5p on a litre of petol is only £3 a tank......



Sam

[outergods]

and £3 a tank is £150 a year for many. but it hasnt been 5p, its gone from 96 /98 p to 108.9 thats 10 -11 p per tank and thats around £8 a tank full.

All good points above, and a Gvt with a real approach would be a refreshing change so maybe we should get the woodpacker party in.

If carlsberg did politicians.........


Matt