2.2TDI on veg oil.

[thebigmansscranvan]

I took my fonty out today and stoped ant a pub. The owner of the pub asked if the fonty in the car park was mine. He said that the 2.2TDI runs on Veg oil. Was this guy of his head or is this true i have never heard this before?

[ashbrear]

off his head mate.
ash

[thebigmansscranvan]

i new it. lol

[deepdiver]

well i met a guy last year on holiday and he told me he runs his on veg oil....plus the chip shop stink gave it away when i went over comparing both fronty's...he reckoned he had no problems with it...im not reccomending using it...but just a view of someone who has been using veg oil...

[thebigmansscranvan]

I have been looking around on the net and have found a lot of people with Land Rovers and toyota hulx runing on veg oil.

How dose it work? its not flamable.

[deepdiver]

diesel engines compress the diesel into combusting as appose to petrol from a spark....older cars cope better with veg oil as newer cars have delicate injector pumps which require diesel as its lubrication. you can mix the veg oil with diesel or kerosene to thin the oil down making it combust easier and flow through the injector pump i suppose...but its still a risk.

[jimmybhoy]

Theres a lot of stuff out there on the subject. I was thinking of running my van on a bio mix. Apparently, its not advisable, on modern diesels as mentioned earlier. CRD engines like mine are a no no. They cause pump problems and due to the cost of replacement, i decide against it. I was having a discussion about this last week with a farmer. He suggested RED, i declined, as that can get your van confiscated by HMRC. He Told me Heating oil ,does the same job,but doesnt have the dye in it (just add a little oil to each tank full to lubricate,he uses 2 stroke as its made to burn) He said he uses it all the time in his NEW Hilux and has done so in other diesels for around 20 years. Cant varify if it works or not, but there was no reason for him to lie to me. He did have a 5 gallon drum next to his heating oil tank, with a lot of 2 stroke bottles & a mechanical pump

[bigdazz]

yip it does work mate lot of farmers do this and van owners but it does the engine no good in the long run .but most farmers run ther 4x4 into the ground so they are not bothered

[thebigmansscranvan]

nice one guys.

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[BoxCleva]

If you run your dti on veg oil expect a bill of between £600 and £2200 depending on the pump fitted, doing so would be madness.

[akers159]

If you have a turbo forget veggie oil, I listened to the rumours and it cost me a new engine in the Pug (1.9TDi), but ran a VW Golf 1.9 (non turbo) on chip fat, just sieved out the lumps (son and wife both chefs, so plenty of free bee's) .

[ccr999]

If you process the veg oil into pure biodiesel, which takes a fair bit of doing and a whole lump of gear, then run it through a heated fuel pump first, then you can comfortably run a biodiesel mix with standard diesel through most if not all diesel vehicles. Fact is that the diesel you buy on the forecourt can have a certain percentage of biodiesel in it anyway, so it is not entirely true to say that a Frontera cannot and should not ever run on at least a percentage of biodiesel.

The problem with chip fat (oil) is it requires considerable processing to get the lumps of fish and chip out first, then the water content, etc.,. You have to perform a titration to check the level of processing agents required before you "cook up" the biodiesel. Then the real killer for sensitive engines is the fact that the initial processed biodiesel diesel needs washing and drying for sensitive engines like the Frontera. Another problem is that biodiesel depending on the type of oil used gels at not so low temperatures ( around plus 5 deg C) as unlike forecourt diesel it lacks antifreezing additives, hence you up the mix of forecourt to bio in winter, and heat it through the heated fuel pump to a fair old temperature first.

Of course if you have the savvy to do all of the above, then it comes down to the start up and ongoing costs as to whether it is financially viable. Cheap processors on eBay (which do not do all of the above!) start at £600. The kit to do all of the above PROPERLY is around £2000 and upwards. Then the chemicals to process it are methanol and caustic soda to name but a few. These are not cheap either.

Then your chip fat supply? Chip shops get money for the used chip fat, because it does get recycled into commercial biodiesel, some of which can get mixed into your forecourt diesel, or sold on to farmers. So unless you do loads of miles and can get chip fat for pennies a litre so that you get a quick payback on your upfront investment, for the average man in the street you are stuck paying £1.43 a litre. Of course if you want to stick two fingers up at the tax man and derive enjoyment from your investment then that may be payback enough.

A WORD OF WARNING, METHANOL IS POISONOUS, IT GETS IN THROUGH THE SKIN AS WELL AS KILLS QUICKLY THROUGH INGESTION, NOT TO MENTION IF IT CATCHES FIRE IN YOUR GARDEN SHED BIO-STILL YOU WILL NEED A NEW SHED FOR A START OFF WHEN IT EXPLODES! THEN THERE IS THE CAUSTIC SODA, THAT BLINDS YOU IF YOU GET IT IN YOUR EYES, SO BEWARE IF YOU CONTEMPLATE MAKING YOUR OWN FUEL, IT COULD KILL YOU EASILY!! FINALLY OF COURSE IF YOU DO GET IT WRONG OR YOUR MIX ISN'T SUFFICIENT FOR THE OLD FRONTERA THEN YOU MIGHT NEED A NEW CAR TOO! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED, SO DON'T BLAME ME!!!

Enough said.

Steve